- June 3, 2009 at 12:10 pm #28710Quote:Windows 7, the next major release of the world's most popular operating system, will be officially available to the public on 22 October.Microsoft is hoping it can avoid the negative press that surrounded the launch of Vista, the last major Windows release, almost three years ago.Windows 7 has been designed to be compatible with Vista so users do not have to invest in new hardware.Customers who buy a new PC with Vista will be offered upgrades to Windows 7.
Quoted Story - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8081003.stmLooks like Microsoft rushed it through a bit quicker than was anticipated, if I remember right originally it was forecast for the 1st Quarter of 2010, then a few weeks ago it was forecast to come out around the Holiday Season (USA) which is after or around Thanksgiving I think? (last week in November) and now it is out a month earlier than estimated a few weeks ago.I haven't tried it myself so don't know what it is like other than what I have heard, I might buy it around or after Christmas and upgrade the Vista system on my Laptop, would help the Start-Up/Shutdown sequence on it takes quite a while for my tastes, about 45 seconds start-up (before logging in) and about 1 min to shutdown although I've cut the shutdown to about 30 seconds with a small tweak to force programs to close down quicker.June 7, 2009 at 9:09 pm #31997
I am not happy with Microsoft. Bringing out a new operating system when we are just getting used to Vista. They should have fixed Vista a bit more first instead of leaving it for dead.June 8, 2009 at 12:52 am #31998
Vista users should have no trouble with Windows 7. Nor should XP users, as 7 is pretty much a mix of the best of both operating systems, with most of the worst removed.Windows 7 is what Vista should have been in the first place. Vista was released in response to market pressure, not because it was ready lol
Mitz from Tips4pcJune 8, 2009 at 1:54 am #31999
i personally like vista, for the most part. i dont like the resources it uses, but i got used to it.i did start using 7 b1 (beta 1) right after it came out, i loved it almost immediately, and now with rc1 (release candidate 1) which im running now, its fast efficient and pretty sweet.there are quite a few improvements to it over vista, you should try out the RC before you buy, its valid until july.June 22, 2009 at 4:17 pm #32000
I decided I would try out the RC, I've got the product key and started the download of the ISO, I am also backing up my files.The current setup of my HDD is 3 partitions C: for Windows Vista, D: For an Old Recovery Partition and G: for my DataSo I'm backing up my Data onto DVD's and freeing up the D: for Windows 7 to create a Dual Boot and keep my Primary OS Vista installed, I'm using this just as a small guide I don't need to follow much of it but just as a double checker to make sure I don't cock it up 🙂 - http://www.maximumpc.com/article/howtos/how_to_install_windows_7_a_dual_boot_over_vista_or_from_scratch, should have thought of this sooner (***Woody taps himself on the back of his head)I've timed how long it takes for my system to start up and shut down with Vista, 1 minute to my login screen and about another minute to load up the programs which ends up being about 60-65 processes until I cut it down via Task Manager to about 40-45 (Sometimes I've had it at 36 including Task Manager), then 20-30 seconds shut-down although this isn't true because I changed the force shutdown time of programs so the shutdown time cut in half from about a minute.I'm hoping these better Start-up times and overall speedier changes to the way the OS works I've heard about are worth it because Vista has been doing my head in lately and constantly with the Security Centre notification in the toolbar coming up everytime I load the comp up telling me that the UAC is disabled, Me thinking "Yes I know it's turned off I've told you before I turned the bloody thing off for being annoying in the first place now I've got you popping up making it just as bad", Yep you can laugh at me as well 😀Downloading at about 180-200KB/sec been going for 40 mins or so and downloaded 420MB of the 2.36GB file or 18% as I write this, expect it to be done in around 2 hours 50 mins so might have it installed and ready by about 9pm - 9:30pm my time just before 5pm currently that's assuming it takes an hour to install.Oh as a side note I decided to install the 32bit version, the hardware I have is 64bit capable but I didn't want to take a risk with 64bit because the Vista I have installed is 32bit.And lastly how low do you think the hardware can go that Windows 7 can run on some people are trying it on Pentium II computers with 128MB RAM and 4MB Graphics RAM, no times are given for start-ups but Pentium III's are taking 17 hours to install and 17 minutes to start-up (Ouch nearly as bad as the comp my Mum and Dad use with XP, 5 year old computer with 768MB RAM and a Pentium Processor at 2.6GHz takes over 5 mins to start-up and log on) - http://www.techspot.com/news/35164-windows-7-installed-on-a-pentium-iibased-pc.htmlThe Guest who posted the first comment is running it on a Pentium III Notebook 512MB RAM and got it installed in less than an hour, so it might not take me too long to install it hopefully as long as I hit no problems, will post back later to tell you how I'm going and then in maybe a week or so as to what I think of it.June 22, 2009 at 10:44 pm #32001
Updates made at bottom of post.Well I've downloaded and installed Windows 7 on a spare partition on my HDD without a hitch (55GB Partition), First impressions of it are good, the overall speed of it is quite a decent improvement over Vista but I've just got one niggle about it, I decided to open up Task Manager to see the resources it is using and to my great surprise it was running about 35-38 processes (With Firefox 3.5 RC2 running and Avast in the Background), the CPU usage was very low, Firefox was behaving and keeping it's memory usage low as well 68,000k according to Task Manager lower than I've ever had although that maybe because I haven't got any Add-Ons installed yet probably shoot up once I restart Firefox, but anyway then I noticed the Physical Memory Usage it was hovering around 29%-30% with Firefox running, I haven't killed any processes that 30% is just over 900MB RAM being used, My Vista system only uses less than 900MB when it's running all the crap installed on it which amounts to about 65 processes, If I kill all the processes I don't need in Vista then I reach about 38 nearly the same as in 7 but then it is using between 650MB-700MB RAM (Around 21%-22% Usage), both are running the same software I normally would Avast, Windows Stuff and Firefox but Vista uses around or over 200MB less than 7 but I can't workout where it is going the processes show it is using way less resources than Vista only 9 processes of the 37 currently running are using over 10MB of RAM (2 Avast Processes 30k and 15k and Firefox nearly 70k, rest are Windows), normally numbering 15 processes easily in Vista maybe more.Sorry it's a long winded paragraph but just had to explain it (I'm s**t at explaining things sometimes :)), so basically I would use less resources in Vista than I would in 7 not sure how Vista Home Premium (32bit Version I'm using) differs to Windows 7 Ultimate (Which seems to be the version it's under), I do wonder if anyone has noticed that or something similar? I know I've looked for the first little thing wrong or odd compared to what I'm used to in Vista, everything else at the moment is perfect, installed and setup in 30 minutes. In all reality though it makes bugger all difference to the 3GB RAM installed in the laptop, so just something I thought I would point out.I do see the overall speed increase compared to Vista, Start-Up and Shutdown times of it as well, but I'm just wondering why is it using 200MB RAM more than my Vista OS, maybe one of you could answer since you have been using it more than me?EDIT - 12:10am: I disabled Windows Defender and killed a couple of other processes, so Windows Defender only starts when I want it to which put the usage down to 860MB so that's a tiny bit off RAM usage I suppose.EDIT - 12:20am: I just did a restart after my messing about with Firefox and Installing Thunderbird, And dumped some of those Gadgets on my Desktop opened up Task Manager and it is using the exact same RAM if not less as what I get in Vista, around 670MB RAM now with Firefox running, how very odd, knowing my luck it will go back to 30% again when I start it up next time, guess I'll see how it goes.June 23, 2009 at 3:03 am #32002
I wasnt using Vista at all so I cant compare. I am back to basically what I was using in XP, the same programs etc that I was running. Running about 37 processes, XP was using 40%-45% of my 2GB RAM, and usually hovered between 5%-10% CPU usage at idle. Using Windows 7, running the same software as I did with XP, I have 45 processes, using 36% RAM and 3% CPU usage at idle.The only difference between old software and new is that I am running Nero8 instead of the incompatible Nero6. Obviously I have Nero Scout disabled in both cases.
Mitz from Tips4pcJune 23, 2009 at 6:49 pm #32003
Ok mines fine now I monitored it for a few start-ups and shutdowns and it constantly hits around 20%-21% RAM (650MB) (I even had it as low as 18% at one point around 550MB RAM), I have to say though that Vista includes a couple of processes for ATI, another 2 or 3 for Samsung software (Laptop Manufacturer) and 2 for some Synaptics Software for the Touchpad (You don't need it because the touchpad works fine without it on) so really Vista for me runs about 55 processes which uses about 25% RAM at least but if I do kill some of the other processes as I said then it hits around the same as 7 now maybe a tiny bit more.The CPU usage is around 5%-6% in Vista, about 1%-2% in 7 at idle with the odd spike in both when it uses cycles to keep processes going.One thing I must say I like how the taskbar is used along the bottom when you have quite a few Windows open in Firefox, how it groups them all together, oh as for the start-up and shutdown times in comparison to what I get in Vista (Vista times I mention above, Reply 4), 1 minute for the whole Start-Up including the password entry, 10 seconds shutdown. So that's a vast improvement over what I had in Vista about a 50% cut in both.June 23, 2009 at 10:32 pm #32004
This just sounds too good to be true…When is the actual free trial over…If you install it is it going to lockup on you when the trial period is over? Whats the go??? This is just fantastic news about all these great results.June 24, 2009 at 12:12 am #32005
The free trial ends on 1st June 2010 (Basically when the RC locks up in effect) although Microsoft have said the RC will start to shutdown every 2 hours from the 1st March 2010, they will give you a 2 week notice ahead of that, At that point you would have to buy a copy of it.They are giving the RC and Product keys out until sometime around July according to the Website, So it could be anything between 2-5 weeks when they stop giving the Product Keys out for the RC.So yep it does sound too good to be true, 9 Months using the Windows 7 OS for free without problem 🙂Think this should get anyone going to download Windows 7.Windows 7 Download Link - http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspxNot sure if you've got any CD/DVD burner?I use one called IMGBurn, and used it to burn the Windows 7 ISO onto a DVD, Link here - http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
Just to add something I'm not sure what Processor Dak has but just to fill in some information (I think I mentioned it elsewhere on the forum but forgot where) mine is a Dual Core AMD Turion @ 2.1GHz
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